WA 2605, A 35 AOS DEL PEOR ACCIDENTE AREO EN LA CIUDAD DE MXICO Hopefully this accident is featured on one of the future Air Crash Investigation episodes on Discovery channel. . He them replaced. He discredits ALPAs conclusions. Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe, Classic Airliners held at the Hyatt-Regency Hotel Washington, DC September 29-0ctober 1, 1981. Maybe if the pilot saw obstructions ahead. - paragraph added at 23:02 + amended at 23:09, 30 November (unsigned contributions) by 173.153.180.238 and at 01:17, 1 December 2019 (unsigned contribution) by 173.153.15.41, Engine power indications were virtually unchanged until about 9 seconds LAST WORDS ON FLIGHT: BRACE CHARLES! As an example, there is an immediate inconsistencies about what the tower is told the crew about approach lights and the ICAO report on the condition of those lights.[/quote]. The concern was that both the deal and tourism would be negatively impacted if Mexico took most of the blame for the deadly accident. Still, Western Airlines Flight 2605 contributed to that long list of accidents on October 31st, 1979.Sources:http://docplayer.net/docview/24/2551935/#file=/storage/24/2551935/2551935.pdfhttps://www.baaa-acro.com/sites/default/files/2019-10/N903WA.pdfhttps://tailstrike.com/media/4sml0qsq/311079.pdfhttps://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19791031-0https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=8BVI6sNpT4wC\u0026pg=PA100\u0026redir_esc=y#v=onepage\u0026q\u0026f=falsehttps://www.baaa-acro.com/crash/crash-douglas-dc-10-10-mexico-city-73-killedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0xxYamy39s\u0026t=71s\u0026ab_channel=TheFlightChannelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z1G31Ik2no\u0026ab_channel=DisasterOnlinehttps://www.baaa-acro.com/crash/crash-douglas-dc-10-10-mexico-city-73-killed CAPTAIN A.O.D. Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. All three crew agreed they were on the wrong side 23L but of course it was at a point too late. Stay at this 4-star business-friendly hotel in Meylan. - the eternal DI, Western was founded by a guy who flew for the RAF in WWI. The violent crashing is clearly heard. Cockpit crew coordina $73. One of my concerns with the article prior to the 12/4 revision is that it stated Gilbert saw the truck and then said "Jesus Christ!". mined by the investigation board. The plane landed in the shoulder in the wrong runway, without tower clearance, after at what was at best a shoddy approach, collided with a big, heavy truck and we know the rest. The sound and tone of his exclamation is one of complete shock. . Pilot fatigue has also been mentioned. and our It ought to be (if at all possible). on it, except than the official one. Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.61.11.230 (talk) 21:25, 4 January 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]. A few years later the public would be told an Air Florida 737 that crashed into a DC bridge was mostly because the pilots weren't from "the North". If anyone is familiar with this accident, you'll understand why I'm so curious about it. or profound horror - perhaps with a terrible awareness of the fate of the plane. Include these with the other problems he would By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. to heavy construction in progress, which may have induced the Captain to vary the ground at any time. The CVR recording has a violent crashing sound which could be the initial collision with the dump truck and immediately following this is pilot Charles Gilbert's exclamation of "Jesus Christ" and a complete change of intensity in the cockpit. : 50 YEARS (FO IS UNKNOWN) Western Airlines Flight 2605, nicknamed the "Night Owl", was an international scheduled passenger flight from Los Angeles, California, to Mexico City, Mexico. as the cause of each accident. Privacy Policy. AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. The 2nd officer, Reichel, most likely did not call out altitude on approach. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. This flight departed late in the evening and who knows how long the crew had been on duty or how much rest they had gotten, apparently not much. Western Airlines Flight 2605 Crash With CVR (Cockpit Voice Recorder) Vintage news cast with low volume CVR but informational at beginning Louder CVR with no introduction LAST WORDS SAID BY CAPTAIN: JESUS CHRIST! Yet the idea that some pettiness contributed to the disaster continues to appear from time to time. Its pilots loved the plane. This is all over youtube for example in a number of videos. Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon, Accidents Was it likely that they didn't have the resources to take safety in to account? Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft, Special Paint Schemes The L1011 was a more costly plane but generally regarded as a better designed aircraft in many ways. Aircraft flying government officials, Helicopters Nine pages of information from the ICAO circular might be "too much" information but an effort to add notable information might be helpful. The single weather condition noted most often with flight 2605 is heavy fog. Whether the motivation is morbid curiosity or not I think it is worthwhile. France (Isre, Auvergne-Rhne-Alpes): Current local time in & Next time change in Saint-Ismier, Time Zone Europe/Paris (UTC+1). Don't have the report but the FAA provides this summary of the investigation: See the following URL for info. We thank you for your support and hope you'll join the largest aviation community on the web. Both military and civil versions, Blimps / Airships American Eagle flight 4184, an ATR 72 flying from IND to ORD, crashed in Northern Indiana on October 31, 1994, which was 25 years ago yesterday. Privacy Policy. Acheter. SquisherDa (talk) 10:16, 24 October 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply], And, thinking of sources - do we have the CVR? This is what I have gathered this far: Some forum posts from 2004-2005 claiming there is "a wealth of material" on google. 32 Avenue Du Gresivaudan, Meylan, Isere, 38700. It's pilots loved the plane. With a fogbank unluckily placed they would not see 23R; and this is at night, so they likely wouldnt see the fogbank itself either. then realised rather late tht they were now on the ILS path so this must be 23L - wrong runway - and they better go around. Your destination for buying luxury property in Saint-Ismier, Auvergne-Rhne-Alpes, France. per night. the distant horizon-c-at least for air carrier investigations By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. 68 people died in that crash. Ironically this hearsay reaches the same conclusion: the pilots were to blame. Western Airlines 2605 is a crash that sticks out in my mind as one of the most mysterious accidents of all time, as comparatively little about the accident itself has been released to the public. ", - section created at 20:44, 30 December 2019 (unsigned contribution) by 173.120.131.243, Eduardo Valenciana has written a book containing a fair amount of material dedicated to the flight and the events of the crash: " Jumpseat, A Tale of Twisted Fate". sition to the parallel operating runway at an airport with a Excerpt from Section 1.8.2 from the ICAO Circular 173-AN/109: "It was established that the high-intensity runway lights, the approach lights, and the VASIS of the runway closed to traffic (23 Left) were inoperativeall the lights for the runway in use (23 Right) were operating.". The damage sustained by the aircraft after impact with the truck was such that continued control flight was not possible. these human factors were identified by the investigation In the early hours of January 16, 1942, their plane would crash on Potosi Mountain, killing everyone on board. Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior, Cargo Aircraft The front wheels never touched the runway until perhaps the aircraft was destroyed. Follow. so they thought they were flying their cleared approach? Flying Magazine discredits the ALPA report. Whether or not this reputation was warranted is up for debate. Here are some ideas: - paragraph added at 20:21 + amended at 20:22, 19 December 2019 (unsigned contributions) by 173.120.214.74, Lay readers still have no idea what a "more than 2g force landing" means. Accident, incident and crash related photos, Air to Air As the closed, wrong Runway where the DC-10 crashed was the closest to the street (where the passengers arrive to the Benito Juarez International Airport) as the one under repair, the correct one where the flight had to land was probably Runway 23L, this can be confirmed as the many photos of the remains of the airplane, mainly the gas turbine sitting on the pavement is shown close to the street, thus the WRONG (Closed) runway has to be 23R. Pilot error but more directly false ILS signal phenomenon. AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own. Accident, incident and crash related photos, Air to Air Theyd have no obvious warning tht 23R was in front of them but hidden. Pictures of great freighter aircraft, Government Aircraft I saw an article some time ago about this flight and there was reference to the captain not have too much confidence in the FO (who was German); so, there appears to have been some tension in the cockpit. (any of them?) Those locks prevent an unbalanced aerodynamic condition in which one wing has more lift than the other. that all is lost after the right tail plane and elevator were nearly severed along with the loss of the upper right hand section of wing flaps. This is incorrect information from the control tower at Mexico City (assuming the ICAO circular Section 1.8.2 is accurate). No matter how cut throat, abusive, tyrannical or destructive corporations and finance would be to other aspects of flying the public had to be told the Government would never ever compromise on safety. after the truck collision. TNVC/NGI Giveaway: 15 winners with over $7000 worth of prizes!! Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more. I've compiled some thoughts that I've placed under yours that I've read from reports of the accidents, both FAA and ICAO. Cookie Notice port and the hassle he usually received from the air traffic Pictures of great freighter aircraft, Government Aircraft A notable comparison aircraft in the era of the DC-10-10 was the competing L1011 plane. Presumably the "Flying Magazine" article abridged content from 'official' reports and other sources. Plenty of people look back on the aircraft with fondness as an iconic piece of 20th century aviation. Flight 2605's "hydraulic systems" - as far as this contributor is aware - are not discussed in any crash analysis or publication. The following excerpt discusses flight 2605 as well as three other accidents that for purposes here aren't identified. Information wanted on Western Airlines flight 2605. Page contents not supported in other languages. The article doesn't mention how many of the fatalities were crew; I presume from the description that all three pilots perished. The Originals Boutique, Htel Les Trois Roses, Grenoble Meyla. *Must have a registered ARFCOM account to win. 28 RE: Western 2605 In MEX - New Pics #8819177 BY thegoldenargosy - Fri Nov 28, 2014 3:22 am One of the flight attendants survived and is still flying for DL in SLC. I don't know what the comment above means when it says the CVR contained "the required information." It has been said that the crew was in a strong disagreement, and that the pilot continued the landing in spite of first officer strong disagreement. "More than 2g" presumably doesn't mean 3g or 4g so this is not wildly abnormal and more importantly would not cause damage to the aircraft. 20 % d'conomis par rapport l'achat spar des abonnements. . Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries, Airport Overviews Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. Western Airlines Flight 2605 Crash With CVR (Cockpit Voice Recorder). Airliners.net is the leading community for discovering and sharing high-quality aviation photography. Copyright 1996-2023 AR15.COM LLC. Airport overviews from the air or ground, Tails and Winglets By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Key details are the same: 23L was closed, 23R was the open runway with a NOTAM many days before. Props and jets from the good old days, Flight Decks He expressed serious concern about the approach to the air As a lay person with a recent fascination with this crash, I'm assuming this was the truck collision by the noises on the CVR. an average person who is tired. with them. Interestingly Gilbert had specified he didn't want to fly with Reichel and Walsh but was apparently told to fly with them anyway for one last time which of course turned out to be the last time he would ever fly. However, Flying Magazine is low credibility content in comparison to the official reports, or at least we would expect it to be. Our large helicopter section. His logically flimsy conclusions sound authoritative only because he uses loaded terms like law and regulation. Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon, Accidents Actress Carole Lombard won a coin toss against her mother and Clark Gable's press agent Otto Winkler when deciding whether they would fly or go by train back to LA. surface altitude of over 7,000 feet. The plane then quickly hit the truck, the electric pole, the excavator cab and finally the building. - paragraph amended at 00:00, 31 December 2019 (unsigned contribution) by 173.120.182.80, He has expressed considerable accusatory disdain for the Mexican authorities and their airport and believes that their share of blame for the disaster has never been properly acknowledged. Flight 2605 remains the deadliest air accident to have occurred in Mexico City. The plane just went all the way through to the closed runway. My dad has mentioned to me several times this accident. As a consequence, they will not be dealt with; they SquisherDa (talk) 10:16, 24 October 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply], - section heading inserted (unsigned contribution) by 173.153.15.41 at 00:53, 1 December 2019, "the flight touched down hard on the unpaved left shoulder of Runway 23L with more than 2 g of force, at 130 knots of speed." Might be good to add that detail. We'll never know because of the damage to the CVR: "The possibility exists that the callouts were made but erased in that portion of the CVR tape; however, it is highly unlikely that this was accomplished. The sad thing about this accident is that not one of On October 31, 1979, the aircraft used for the flight, a McDonnell Douglas DC-10,. (But the pilots did anyway, probably as they did far more often that didn't end in some kind of horrific hull loss, and perhaps as Gilbert was doing in '79. ) The final moments of the pilots will make your hair stand on end.
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